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That mustang look mean. Camaro still look same. Still disappointed Toyota use Camry instead Supra.
I'm suprised they reverse engineered a Ford engine rather than a Dodge engine, considering they supposedly had Bill Davis Racing spoon feeding them information (I'm still not fully convinced on this one)
If you do a side by side comparison of a Toyota 358 and a Cleveland 351 crate motor, it becomes really really obvious. Even the positions of pulleys hasn't been altered that much.
What's weird is that the FR9 built by Roush-Yeats, is a Windsor derivative. 351C and 351W are different.
most of them wouldn't know car tech newer than a 1965 Ford Fairlane(which is basically most of the tech run now)
- DaleTona, via Shoutbox, 6th May 2021
Here goes (as far as I can reliably make out):
The Ford 335 Engine is what becomes 351 Cleveland in 1969.
351C ends production in 1982.
1982 is the last year in America that 351C is available in Ford passenger cars except for Ford LTD Crown Victoria which continues but only if the car has an IRS certificate for law enforcement.
Ford Australia still made some 351Cs but exported the rest to Italy, which ironically makes the 1988 De Tomaso Pantera the last 351 Cleveland passenger car. There are no XF Falcons with a 351C.
FoMoCo continued making 351Cs as a crate motor for racing and transplant.
It's 1982 Ford Falcon tech (with Roush-Yeats trickery)
- DaleTona, via Shoutbox, 6th May 2021
Here goes (as far as I can reliably make out):
The Ford 335 Engine is what becomes 351 Cleveland in 1969.
351C ends production in 1982.
1982 is the last year in America that 351C is available in Ford passenger cars except for Ford LTD Crown Victoria which continues but only if the car has an IRS certificate for law enforcement.
Ford Australia still made some 351Cs but exported the rest to Italy, which ironically makes the 1988 De Tomaso Pantera the last 351 Cleveland passenger car. There are no XF Falcons with a 351C.
FoMoCo continued making 351Cs as a crate motor for racing and transplant.
It's 1982 Ford Falcon tech (with Roush-Yeats trickery)
My hope is that the front splitter is less effective. Gen 7 appears to have vents in the bonnet; which means that the air under the car should be able to get out more effectively.
I hope that they have thought about the rear diffuser and cars following in the wash. That presents a fluid dynamics question and how closely you can or can not follow someone again will be determined by the wake coming off the car in front.
I hope that this car doesn't get the "big ass" rear wing that Junebug hates so much. If a driver can't see out the rear window, that's pretty dumb. I prefer the solution that the V8Supercars use for that reason.
I hope that they have thought about the rear diffuser and cars following in the wash. That presents a fluid dynamics question and how closely you can or can not follow someone again will be determined by the wake coming off the car in front.
I hope that this car doesn't get the "big ass" rear wing that Junebug hates so much. If a driver can't see out the rear window, that's pretty dumb. I prefer the solution that the V8Supercars use for that reason.
Gen7 NASCAR Needs to seriously address this.
I mean, V8Supercars have been running in rain since... forever.
I think it has a lot to do with the way the cars are built and set up. And the lack of rain experience by dedicated oval drivers. They already aren't great road course cars, and rain doesn't help. I mean, even F1, Indycar, SuperCars etc have their own trouble with rain, but they have a lot more experience in dealing with it. I guess my point is they should address putting built-for-high-speed-oval cars on a road coarse first and I imagine the rain problem will take care of itself
The wiper system would probably be the first thing they need to look at.
Add a brake light system. It's just a micro switch on the pedal, wire leading to a brake light mounted in the rear. It doesn't need to be a full light cluster, but drill 2 holes in the rear around the decal area and just stick a brake light there.
Make the rule like F1, if it rains then the rain light needs to be on. If the track is dry for Nascar, no brake lights and the racing can continue to be traditional.
But honestly, in this day & age... Nascar has no excuses for not racing in the rain at RC. They have the tires, they've got the knowledge from all the years racing up at Montreal, they just need to be smart about it.
The rest of the racing world sees F1, IndyCar, IMSA, V8SC, Touring Cars and GTs series racing in the rain.
Add a brake light system. It's just a micro switch on the pedal, wire leading to a brake light mounted in the rear. It doesn't need to be a full light cluster, but drill 2 holes in the rear around the decal area and just stick a brake light there.
Make the rule like F1, if it rains then the rain light needs to be on. If the track is dry for Nascar, no brake lights and the racing can continue to be traditional.
But honestly, in this day & age... Nascar has no excuses for not racing in the rain at RC. They have the tires, they've got the knowledge from all the years racing up at Montreal, they just need to be smart about it.
The rest of the racing world sees F1, IndyCar, IMSA, V8SC, Touring Cars and GTs series racing in the rain.
I want to say that last year NXS raced in the rain somewhere and they did have brake lights, maybe in the top of the rear windows? But I could be wrong. I think with a little more experience it will get better. The first step is not shying away from it like they have in the past, but they definitely have a lot of work to do.
This person: 
Add a brake light system. It's just a micro switch on the pedal, wire leading to a brake light mounted in the rear. It doesn't need to be a full light cluster, but drill 2 holes in the rear around the decal area and just stick a brake light there.
If a brake light system is implemented, then it would probably be a common bit of kit because I think that one of the aims of Gen-7 was to have one car that was capable of running the full shebang; rather than an SS car, a short course car and a road course car.
Add a brake light system. It's just a micro switch on the pedal, wire leading to a brake light mounted in the rear. It doesn't need to be a full light cluster, but drill 2 holes in the rear around the decal area and just stick a brake light there.
If a brake light system is implemented, then it would probably be a common bit of kit because I think that one of the aims of Gen-7 was to have one car that was capable of running the full shebang; rather than an SS car, a short course car and a road course car.
While I get your point, I don't think adding a light would be a modification to make the car "a road race version." The differences in the cars had to do with aero and air ducting, something that was already stopped a couple years ago. Likewise, I don't think the cars will have windshield wipers at superspeedways.
If the teams are only building 7 cars... I would put money on 1 being RC, 1 being SS, 2 being ST and 3 being SW.
But it's like the COT platform. Was it HMS that wrecked their primary & backup cars at Daytona and need to bring a 3rd car down from the shop which was an ST or SW car, lol.
But it's like the COT platform. Was it HMS that wrecked their primary & backup cars at Daytona and need to bring a 3rd car down from the shop which was an ST or SW car, lol.
Sliced Bread during the broadcast at virtual Chicago seemed to indicate that he didn't know if Gen-7 had finalised plans for flappy paddle, sequential, or H-pattern gearboxes.
As a viewer, I don't really care. The outside and what we're all looking at, will be identical.
As a viewer, I don't really care. The outside and what we're all looking at, will be identical.
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