I think NASCAR is primed for a explosion in popularity and over the next 4 years it returns to its old spot in the 90's-00's.
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Well for one the NASCAR suits need to listen to the Drivers... which they are not, and why wouldn't they ? I think it is a great place to start.
Also to quote @Rollo75 from another thread -
Gen-7 cars are designed to produce more underbody downforce; when then means that when they follow something else, that advantage is screwed up. This is mostly a fluid dynamics question where everyone is trying to chase the dragon's tail.
If you want the cars to squirm more, raise the ride heights and make the tyres narrower. Reduce the aero and contact patch. Actually think about the science, NASCAR.
Jeez Louise... someone needs... a boot to the head.
Also to quote @Rollo75 from another thread -
Gen-7 cars are designed to produce more underbody downforce; when then means that when they follow something else, that advantage is screwed up. This is mostly a fluid dynamics question where everyone is trying to chase the dragon's tail.
If you want the cars to squirm more, raise the ride heights and make the tyres narrower. Reduce the aero and contact patch. Actually think about the science, NASCAR.
Jeez Louise... someone needs... a boot to the head.
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Sorry, I should have been more explicit to whom I was asking the question.
I think NASCAR is primed for a explosion in popularity and over the next 4 years it returns to its old spot in the 90's-00's.
- thread primer, F22 Raptor, 10th Jan 2024
How?
I think that this would require a massive structural shift in the economy.
Kids don't care because they have no reason to. They can't buy new cars; so the old adage "Race on Sunday, sell on Monday" has no meaning any more.
VFACTS (Vehicle Federal Chamber of Automotive Trade Sales) reported that in 2023, the average age of a new car buyer was 68. New car sales to people aged 18-35 now account for less than "a statistically important section of the market"; which means less than 5%.
Kids can't buy cars.
Kids can't buy houses.
They can barely afford to pay for education.
@F22Raptor HOW?
I think NASCAR is primed for a explosion in popularity and over the next 4 years it returns to its old spot in the 90's-00's.
- thread primer, F22 Raptor, 10th Jan 2024
How?
I think that this would require a massive structural shift in the economy.
Kids don't care because they have no reason to. They can't buy new cars; so the old adage "Race on Sunday, sell on Monday" has no meaning any more.
VFACTS (Vehicle Federal Chamber of Automotive Trade Sales) reported that in 2023, the average age of a new car buyer was 68. New car sales to people aged 18-35 now account for less than "a statistically important section of the market"; which means less than 5%.
Kids can't buy cars.
Kids can't buy houses.
They can barely afford to pay for education.
@F22Raptor HOW?
my question to you is why did F1 blow up with popularity? I think it more has to do with marketing then any of what you said and if the Netflix show/shows work out well NASCAR could easily explode back to the mainstream without the automotive industry doing "good" the at track attendance has been booming over the last few years.
Why? Raw data would suggest that TV audiences in America rose sharply as COVID-19 hit in March 2020, Having said that, F1 viewer numbers in America have never topped 2 million; whereas the NFL regularly gets 17, 18, and 19 million.
America was an untapped market; so an explosion in numbers is mostly due to a smaller baseline. I note that F1 viewership has fallen off a cliff in places like Germany, France, the UK, etc. where it was moved from free-to-air to Pay-TV. In my country, F1 barely blips; with the only race to score more than 400,000 viewers being the Australian GP and even then because it was the only race on telly.
Smaller baselines = bigger movements.
This is a different set of factors.
Real wages in America peaked in Q3 1978. This meant that people had the most disposable income that they'd ever had. That has been on the slide.
People tend not to be able to but things without money. Peak consumers in 1995 were born in 1955. Likewise, that same age group should have been born in 1984 and they have experienced falling wages in real terms for their entire life. NASCAR got an average of 8.8 million households in 1996; which was very much influenced by peoples' ability to buy stuff. People could easily be more tribal because they actually owned the car brands on track. That tends to not happen now.
America was an untapped market; so an explosion in numbers is mostly due to a smaller baseline. I note that F1 viewership has fallen off a cliff in places like Germany, France, the UK, etc. where it was moved from free-to-air to Pay-TV. In my country, F1 barely blips; with the only race to score more than 400,000 viewers being the Australian GP and even then because it was the only race on telly.
Smaller baselines = bigger movements.
This is a different set of factors.
Real wages in America peaked in Q3 1978. This meant that people had the most disposable income that they'd ever had. That has been on the slide.
People tend not to be able to but things without money. Peak consumers in 1995 were born in 1955. Likewise, that same age group should have been born in 1984 and they have experienced falling wages in real terms for their entire life. NASCAR got an average of 8.8 million households in 1996; which was very much influenced by peoples' ability to buy stuff. People could easily be more tribal because they actually owned the car brands on track. That tends to not happen now.
I live in California. Kids here are having it drilled into their heads every hour of every day that cars, gasoline, rubber, asphalt and the rest are causing climate change, causing storms to get worse, all of that.
These kids are never going to support a sport that burns all the things they hate to go around in circles for 3 hours.
These kids are never going to support a sport that burns all the things they hate to go around in circles for 3 hours.
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