Dr. Noise Paints - New 1992 High Resolution Carset Progress

[Dr. Noise]

2 variations of the Eddie Bierschwale #23 car have been completed. They represent the Michigan (Race 19) car & the Daytona 500 car that DNQ'd (and was then turned into the #14 A.J. Foyt car). Thanks to all of you for trying as a group to focus in on this car's history with photos, video, etc. I'd say we did the best we could with this one. Speaking on the AJ car, now that I realize this car had a red interior, I updated the Foyt car to reflect that, as well.

For the Air-Way Mfg Michigan car, there is something on the C-pillar & the trunk. Because there's simply no clear photos and the video never gets close enough, I just straight up left them off. With the Daytona car having those sections blank, and this car DNQing more races than it actually Q'd, I am going to consider this close enough. At the very least the Daytona car is exact.

Also, I am now able to zoom in and take much closer screen shots within the game than I could before. The detail in these photos will be much clearer, now. Also, much larger. As always, these photos can be clicked on to view them closer/larger.

 

[psugorilla]

hrmmm.... Looking at the Olds model, it's got me wondering if it would make a better looking 94 lumina? A little shading layer across the air dam and it fills in the cutout area on the lumina model.
Might be something I should look into. I was trying it on the ford a while back but I think this might look better.

 

[Dr. Noise]

hrmmm.... Looking at the Olds model, it's got me wondering if it would make a better looking 94 lumina? A little shading layer across the air dam and it fills in the cutout area on the lumina model.
Might be something I should look into. I was trying it on the ford a while back but I think this might look better.

I think it would actually. Especially for, hell... I suppose 92 and up, ya know? When the Lumina stopped having that big indentation in the lower half of the nose it really looks almost exactly like this Olds/Buick body. I think you're onto something, there. Kinda wish we woulda noticed that before now. I almost would have preferred the flatter nose for the Luminas! lol.

 

[psugorilla]

Here's what I was messing with on the ford body a while back. It's got the right "bumper merge" on the front end side fenders but I am thinking the Olds model might work better as it has a better greenhouse and deck lid area.

 

[CC#48]

I think that's I great Idea that model would work for the 94 Lumina. We have had years of fun with this mod alone.

 

[psugorilla]

I think that's I great Idea that model would work for the 94 Lumina. We have had years of fun with this mod alone.

Absolutely. It's been my absolute favorite mod to paint on since release. I still use the contingency sets you created for us back in the day too.

 

[cnyle]

2 variations of the Eddie Bierschwale #23 car have been completed. They represent the Michigan (Race 19) car & the Daytona 500 car that DNQ'd (and was then turned into the #14 A.J. Foyt car). Thanks to all of you for trying as a group to focus in on this car's history with photos, video, etc. I'd say we did the best we could with this one. Speaking on the AJ car, now that I realize this car had a red interior, I updated the Foyt car to reflect that, as well.

For the Air-Way Mfg Michigan car, there is something on the C-pillar & the trunk. Because there's simply no clear photos and the video never gets close enough, I just straight up left them off. With the Daytona car having those sections blank, and this car DNQing more races than it actually Q'd, I am going to consider this close enough. At the very least the Daytona car is exact.

Also, I am now able to zoom in and take much closer screen shots within the game than I could before. The detail in these photos will be much clearer, now. Also, much larger. As always, these photos can be clicked on to view them closer/larger.

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The highlight of most days, coming home to see what you created!

 

[CC#48]

Absolutely. It's been my absolute favorite mod to paint on since release. I still use the contingency sets you created for us back in the day too.

Awesome to hear that you still use those contingencies I made I still have them as well. My favourite mod to use too.

 

[wreckin6]

Awesome to hear that you still use those contingencies I made I still have them as well. My favourite mod to use too.

CC48 you're a living legend! I remember helping you with reference pics for some carsets on nascarnet back in the early days of the game. so cool to see you and other veteran painters active here, y'all kept the game alive for decades

 

[Dr. Noise]

Progress update! Things are happening. Had a busy weekend, but a good one. Started working on this finally last night. Always intimidated starting those hood stripes but they always go remarkably well using the ruler/guides. Still haven't double checked it in the sim, but those areas are usually safe. It's the nose/lights areas and rear bumper that are the bum holes. lol

 

[Sim1Ghila]

Excellent job, keep it up! In fact this was the fourth time that the 24 car was on track during the 1992 NASCAR Winston Cup Series. Previously, a n.24 car has been driven at Darlington by Kenny Wallace for Rusty Wallace Racing on a Pontiac Grand Prix, but he DNQ'd. Then, Butch Gilliland raced with a n.24 Pontiac Grand Prix for Gilliland Racing at Sonoma (DNF due to handling) and Phoenix (where he finished 29th)

If this could be helpful for the carset, here's down below the complete list of drivers that competed during the 1992 season, with the cars done, full time rides and part time rides.

FULL TIME RIDES

Chevrolet
Dale Earnhardt Sr. (done)
4)Ernie Irvan (done)
5)Ricky Rudd (done)
10)Derrike Cope (done)
17)Darrell Waltrip (done)
18)Dale Jarrett (done)
25)Ken Schrader
41)Gregg Sacks (20 races)/Dave Marcis (7 races)/Hut Stricklin (2 races)
71)Dave Marcis (22 races)/Jimmy Sauter (7 races)

Ford
6)Mark Martin (done)
7)Alan Kulwicki (done)
8)Rick Wilson (1 race)/Dick Trickle (28 races) (done)
11)Bill Elliott (done)
15)Geoff Bodine (done)
16)Wally Dallenbach Jr. (done)
21)Morgan Shepherd (done)
22)Sterling Marlin (done)
26)Brett Bodine
28)Davey Allison
55)Ted Musgrave
66)Jimmy Hensley (22 races)/Chad Little (6 races)/Bobby Hillin Jr. (1 race)

Pontiac
2)Rusty Wallace (done)
30)Michael Waltrip
42)Kyle Petty
4Richard Petty

Oldsmobile
1)Rick Mast (done)
3Harry Gant
68)Bobby Hamilton
94)Terry Labonte

Means Racing (Pontiac: 28 races/Ford: 1 race)
52)Jimmy Means (25 races)/Brad Teague (1 race)/Tommy Kendall (1 race)/Scott Sharp (1 race)/Scott Gaylord (1 race)

Bobby Allison Motorsports (Chevrolet: 24 races/Ford: 5 races)
12)Hut Stricklin (21 races)/Jeff Purvis (4 races)/Jimmy Spencer (4 races)

LIMITED SCHEDULE RIDES

Buick
44)Jack Sellers (1 race)
77)Mike Potter (8 races)

Chevrolet
1Dave Mader III (1 race)/Bob Schacht (1 race)/Stan Fox (2 races)/Mike Skinner (3 races) (done)
14)A.J. Foyt (1 race) (done)
24)Jeff Gordon (1 race)
29)John Krebs (2 races)
31)Bobby Hillin Jr. (12 races)
32)Jimmy Horton (11 races)
35)Bill Venturini (2 races)
37)Rick Carelli (2 races)
45)Ed Ferree (2 races)
47)Buddy Baker (1 race)
49)Stanley Smith (15 races)
51)Jeff Purvis (2 races)/Rick Scribner (2 races)
77)Mike Potter (9 races)
8Lake Speed (3 races)
89)Jim Sauter (3 races)
98)Jimmy Spencer (11 races)
99)Brad Teague (2 races)

Ford
0)Delma Cowart (8 races)
9)Phil Parsons (2 races)/Dorsey Schroeder (1 race)/Dave Mader III (6 races)/Chad Little (13 races)/Bill Schmitt (1 race) (done)
20)Jimmy Spencer (1 race) (done)
34)Todd Bodine (1 race)
44)Jeff Davis (1 race)
45)Rich Bickle (4 races)
50)Hershel McGriff (1 race)
59)Andy Belmont (11 races)
62)Ben Hess (1 race)
7Bill Schmitt (1 race)
8Lake Speed (8 races)
90)Dorsey Schroeder (1 race)/Charlie Glotzbach (7 races)/Kerry Teague (1 race)/Hut Stricklin (4 races)/Pancho Carter (1 race)/Bobby Hillin Jr. (1 race)
91)Kerry Teague (1 race)
97)Hut Stricklin (1 race)

Oldsmobile
0Kerry Teague (1 race)
14)A.J. Foyt (1 race) (done)
20)Mike Wallace (2 races)/Joe Ruttman (done)
2Eddie Bierschwale (9 races) (done)
47)Buddy Baker (5 races)
7Phil Barkdoll (4 races)
97)Mark Gibson (1 race)

Pontiac
24)Butch Gilliland (2 races)/Kenny Wallace (1 race)
32)Randy Porter (5 races)
36)H.B. Bailey (2 races)
50)Clay Young (4 races)
5John McFadden (5 races)/Graham Taylor (2 races)
77)Mike Potter (1 race)
88)Joe Booher (1 race)

Hylton Motorsports (Pontiac: 15 races/Chevrolet: 4 races)
48)James Hylton (19 races)

Linro Motorsports (Chevrolet: 3 races/Ford: 1 race)
27)Gary Balough (1 race)/Bob Schacht (2 races)/Jeff McClure (1 race)

 

[Lastlap]

FULL TIME RIDES

Chevrolet
41)Gregg Sacks (20 races)/Dave Marcis (7 races)/Hut Stricklin (1 race)

Ford
41)Hut Stricklin (1 race)

Atlanta - 1992 HOOTERS 500

 

[MrDude68]

Atlanta - 1992 HOOTERS 500

Valuable picture as that car wrecked badly on lap 2 lol

 

[Sim1Ghila]

Atlanta - 1992 HOOTERS 500

https://www.racing-reference.info/season-stats/1992/W/

This reminded me to put also the Racing Reference page of that season if this could be helpful to check out. So many drivers, cars and combinations to look at, a pity that there are many pictures really hard to find. :/

 

[Sim1Ghila]

In fact these are the only images that I've found. The white paintscheme seems like is from 1991 season but I'm not sure.

EDIT: on the article made by the great Brock Beard, it's told the story about what should have done Kenny in 1992 season. Here's what happened (full article http://brock.lastcar.info/search?q=Kenny+Wallace)

"In January, just days before the 1992 Daytona 500, Team III Racing declared bankruptcy. The report indicated that McMahon had paid the bills at Team III with $2.2 million from his family’s hotel partnership in Florida, which then became insolvent. In the process, McMahon made a series of large purchases during the ‘91 season, including a helicopter and a mobile home. Most perplexing was that McMahon was approached by at least one sponsor who offered to pay $15,000 for one race, but the owner declined. The unsustainable business model ultimately shuttered Team III’s doors.

“I’ve been racing all my life,” said Wallace in February 1992, “and I’ve heard of things happening like this, but I never thought it would happen to me - this deal crashing.”

Fortunately, Dirt Devil stayed with Wallace, backing his Busch Series ride in 1992, and kept their Winston Cup efforts alive with an attempt at Darlington. Felix Sabates, looking to expand his one-car team, sought to acquire Team III’s assets for 1993. In this, he was apparently successful: by the 1993 Daytona 500, SABCO Racing fielded a new Dirt Devil Pontiac for Wallace to run full-time with Jeff Hammond as crew chief. The car #24 was no longer available, picked up by Hendrick Motorsprots in late 1992 for fellow rookie Jeff Gordon (who was originally going to run the #46). Instead, the SABCO entry ran #40. Wallace finished a season-best 9th at Watkins Glen and Bristol, but with a 23rd-place rank in points, lost Rookie of the Year to Gordon."

 

[Sim1Ghila]

And this are the only pictures plausible that I've found of the n.24 Pontiac of Butch Gilliland. All the credits of the pictures goes to David Allio.

nascar pontiac wallace waltrip gillland gaylord phoenix 1992 – Pontiac Racing

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Mesa Marin 1991 – David Allio | Racing Photography Archives

 

[Sim1Ghila]

In fact these are the only images that I've found. The white paintscheme seems like is from 1991 season but I'm not sure.

Alright, so here's the next car. I'm not entirely concerned about being accurate, so if we can't find these, it's not the end of the world. But, coming across photos of this car has been radically difficult. It ran very few races and even changed numbers part way through the year in 1992. None the less, this is how it appear at the start of the season while still #13 for a few races. Hood was blank, trunk was blank. On the side are 3 logos I need help with figuring out. The 'Smart' one, I have no idea what is written below it. The Bryant logo I believe says Bryant Industrial or Industries, but have no idea where to find a clear image of that logo. The name is very generic. The last is the J.R. Janke just below the Bryant. The J.R. Janke part is obvious, but not what is below it.

Of the 3 races this car ran and actually qualified in, 1 of them was run as #13, the other 2 were run as #85. Not only that, one of the 2 races it was meant to start as #85 and they did qualify in for...they didn't actually even start the race. So, the only race that would have been broadcasted with this car as number 85 was race number 27 at Rockingham. I have NEVER seen a photo of the car as #85. Hopefully with these videos being posted by NASCAR Classics, Rockingham will be included, because I fear a broadcast is the only way I'm going to even see the shape of the numbers or if the car changed design/presentation in any way.

Anyways...uhhh... Help. lol Thanks <3

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I have good news about the 13 car too!

I've found a pretty clear picture of Stan Fox on the number 13 Chevrolet Lumina at Talladega. Watching also the second start that he did in 1992 for Winston Cup Series at Michigan International Speedway the paintscheme seems the same one. Unfortunately for Fox he DNF'd in both runs. Engine failure at Talladega, hard crash in Michigan during the early stages. Here's down below the Talladega paintschemes, included the one used by Stan. All the credits to thracingphotos

NASCAR 1992 - thracingphotos

Stan Fox

thracingphotos.smugmug.com

In fact, the 13 car has been used also by Bob Schacht for the Atlanta spring race as a replacement of Dave Mader III in a car sponsored by Shoney's, but he retired with a broken valve after only 23 laps, finishing 41st and last.

 

[Dr. Noise]

Jeff Gordon's Hooters 500 Atlanta car is good to go! This one I added a grill @Lastlap designed specifically for this car. As always, the photo can be clicked on to expand it larger in size.

Thanks for the car list @Sim1Ghila . It is helpful for tracking what's left. There are of course many one offs that can be borderline impossible to find photos for. So, sometimes liberties need to be taken. But in the end, we'll have a version of each car as close as possible and as many as possible. The Gilliland car being raced at Sonoma and/or Phoenix means it's a Winston West car (I believe). So, Winston West photos from the same year should uncover a better visual for that particular 24 car. I did find a diecast version of the Team III Racing one. Probably enough to work with, but some assumptions will be in order for that one. It's pretty basic, though, and that number will be an easy trace. But, does it lean the other direction on the other side? The world may never know. lol.

 

[Lastlap]

@Dr. Noise The #24 just needs that older Gillette cont.

 

[Dr. Noise]

@Dr. Noise The #24 just needs that older Gillette cont.

I didn't want to alter that since none of the cars will end up having that later in the year switch. That will be one of those liberties being taken. However, I did get yelled at (not really lol) about the 'Automotive Finishes' font being incorrect. So, I'm going to have to update that so I don't get roughed up!